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Post by Lil' Ragnaros on Aug 22, 2011 11:57:20 GMT -5
So I am assuming that you are not going to be the copper dragon trying to find out who killed your parents? Then back to the drawing board, which character are you gonna play and what's his/her/it's goals,aspirations, and job? also curious, which plane you gonna attune to?
Adding new option: (you are not required to do this but I'll assume you are some poor distraught peasant living with the bare necessities if you don't) The players may furnish an area that will become their living quarters and purchase amenities and luxuries for this area. The area must be either a tessellation or part of a sequence that is a tessellation. The living area should be rather compact, around 64 tiles. You will receive both human's craft or profession check in money for 104 weeks to do this. Assume you took 10 and if you have no ranks, assume the rank bonus = 0. Use formula for work out of PHB skill chapter. If you wish to take divert some of the 9,000 starting gold per team, you may voluntarily contribute this. I can't find any exact cost for furnishings but use the Stronghold Builder's guidebook components to get an idea. If a bedroom suite costs 900 gold and consists of a straw bed, you can imagine what you could actually afford. You may not craft your own unless you are using magic to create something. Elsewise, even if you spend only 1/3 the initial cost, you still spent more than x weeks actually making the item. Misc. items also come out of this pot, things such as spare changes of clothes, dinnerware, extra supplies such as sq ft. of cloth, etc. Have an ongoing inventory of what you use/daily upkeep. EX: Deodorant might not be a necessity but knowing you spent the silver pieces for it and apply it daily might improve npc interactions and lets me know that you have the a +4 against anything tracking you by scent. You don't need to keep exact tabs, just don't go over what your craft or profession check would normally pay. I encourage you to get creative with this. Even if you can't find perfume in any of the books, 1s per dose for a +2 bonus on when you are trying to convince someone else you're classy and sophisticated, seduction, or disguise own scent but a -4 for being tracked, disguising as a straight male, or something like that... (1 s because it's not some cheap perfume) Try to make sure opposing items match. +4 deodorant to stop tracking, so a scented item should give -4. Quality matters here so the more you spend, the better circumstance bonus you can get.
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Post by skreyola on Aug 22, 2011 12:18:55 GMT -5
Maybe I am not understanding your question correctly. What part of this alignment thing wouldn't constitute for a paladin to partner with a green dragon? So what you are saying is instead of assuming what you guys are thinking and acting on that, I should clarify with questions... *sarcasm* Gee, I'm sorry. I shouldn't have accused you of lecturing instead of seeking to understand the question, as your question was the first response. I'm soooo sorry. I was totally out of line, because that's exactly what your first response was. You didn't even think of lecturing me in reply #2 or #6 before asking your clarifying question. Mea culpa, mea culpa. */sarcasm* I don't WANT to play a tiny dragon. Make up your mind. Do you want us to play wyrmlings so we have a chance of paying off our LAs this century, or do you want us to pick the dragon size we really want? If they start off at medium size, they have more HD, and the LA is more severe. We're pretty harshly limited by these numbers. They all made sense, and it was all stuff I already knew. It just didn't answer the question I asked. So, what I see you saying here is: "Yes, Skreyola, the alignment does hold enough that a paladin would avoid partnering with a chromatic dragon." If this is not correct, I'd appreciate if you'd say only: "No, that's wrong. A paladin wouldn't have any problem with a dragon's normal alignment in my campaing setting." I find the "follow the chart in the Draconomicon" the most efficient. I'm just saying I'll have to earn two levels without any improvements before I can start using it. Which is okay... I just think it would have been simpler to give the dragon PCs a higher starting ECL allowance, say 1-2 levels, given the nature of their wyrmling LAs. But I understand and accept if you want it to be "fair" to all players by having everyone start out at the same ECL. I would not have any question about that if we were independent PCs, but we're supposed to be teams, so I'm not sure why it's so important we all have equal power levels. That's all.
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Post by skreyola on Aug 22, 2011 12:22:20 GMT -5
now if I am allowed my two sense on the manner from playing in multiple of noob's dragon campaigns regardless of weather your dragon has an alignment saying almost always lawful,evil, or whatever seeing as the dragon is not going to be raised by other dragons of it's own type the alignment could be anything if that isn't what you were all talking about then I guess this hasn't helped This would be fine. But in this case, the GM should say simply, "Ignore the MM alignments. Pick your alignment like a human." But the GM didn't say that.
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Post by skreyola on Aug 22, 2011 12:24:57 GMT -5
So I am assuming that you are not going to be the copper dragon trying to find out who killed your parents? Then back to the drawing board, which character are you gonna play and what's his/her/it's goals,aspirations, and job? also curious, which plane you gonna attune to? After I've put this much work into the character? Are you nuts? I think you should stop using the word "dragonrider" when describing the campaign, because you obviously have no interest in making us dragon & rider teams. Just dragon & trainer teams. My partner seems to be making characters that have no need for a flying mount... unless the snake can ride.
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Post by Lil' Ragnaros on Aug 22, 2011 13:31:13 GMT -5
The last thing about not being a copper dragon was directed at loneshadow... he said something that led me to believe he was going to go dragon instead then started talking about all these other characters. Nevermind that...
The reason I say equal ECL is not only for the fairness issue but because it's easier to build something for 4 level 5's than it is for a party split between levels 5 and 9. A CR 7 might 1 shot the lvl 5 but in turn be 1 shot by the level 9.
I cannot answer your question about the paladin and green dragon with a Yes or No. It goes above the scope of alignments. Even a L/G paladin can find reasons to venture with something C/E, rather to keep an eye on them, try to show them the correct path, w/e you can come up with. At the same time, there are just as many reasons for them to not venture.
To answer's pushaw's question about being born evil, the answer is, it depends. In the MM in the glossary, it tells you the circumstances that dictate if you are born with an alignment. Were you raised to be evil? Were you born on an evilly aligned plane? Just go through the list. If your question is about "Do I have to play an evil Green dragon?" then the answer is no. The second you make your first choice, you alignment falls into what the PHB defines what alignment is.
I am not sure which chart in the Draconomicon you are talking about but so long as your ECL do not exceed 5 I am fine and if you want to play something that is impossible to play at ecl 5, then it's a maybe and the only two dragons I've seen so far above ECL 5 are Prismatic and Force dragons. A copper dragon starts at ECL 3 according to UA and Savage species and ECL 1 if you use the Dragon Magazine variant. Coincidentally, they all end up being equal. My preferred way will have you ending up with 3 HD and 2 LA starting out. 3 HD gives you 2d12+12 + (con mod x3) hp, 3 BAB, +3 all saves, 2 feats, and (6+int mod) x 6 skill points. Sometime between levels 10 and 12 (8 HD and 10 HD) You'll have to spend another level to pay off the +3 LA. The level you do this at, your gain in addition to everything you have as a wyrmling: +2 Str and your breath now deals 4d4. You also increase the benefits of anything based on age such as the duration of your slow or other select feats.
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Post by Lil' Ragnaros on Aug 22, 2011 13:46:49 GMT -5
To reply to the part about dragon riding:
I can assure you at some point you will think to yourself either in character or out of character, "Man, I sure wish I selected a class with ride and put ranks into it and fly around on my dragon's back taking full round actions while he moves me along at 200+ ft per move action."
At the same time, those who did build a literal dragon rider: "Man, I sure wish I wasn't on this dragon's back at the moment. My dragon's poor reflex save is killing me when that other dragon is hitting me with a breath weapon. Oh and how I wish the space between my dragon and the other wasn't 30 ft. I can't swing at it. If I asked my dragon to move closer, he/she would provoke untold numbers of AoOs."
I am not forcing you people to literally ride your dragon nor am I saying that not riding your dragon is a poor choice. If you view it as you training your dragon, then you are. Raising is also an acceptable verb but the fact still remains that this campaign was based on the Dragonriders of Pern series and a fair majority of NPCS will be literally riding/being carried by a dragon.
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Post by loneshadow on Aug 22, 2011 13:48:55 GMT -5
alright as for my pur monk bat I think his profession of choice would be body gaurd and his aspiration would be to systematically dismantle the operations of a group of rouge mercenaries Know only as The Fallen Dragons (infamous for being willing to murder anyone for a price!)
for my snake a rather different tale he obtained his monk lvl by infiltrating group of monks known as The Broken Fist he has proven himself as a resourceful spy and a quick learner working as a information gatherer for pretty much anyone who want's dirt on someone else he's known for his ability to slip in and out of places without being detected his goal in life is to become famous for pulling off the most difficult stunt of all Slipping past the guardians of the Moani temple and claiming the fabled prize inside (no one knows what the prize is but it's said that those who enters the center chamber of the Moani temple will be able to claim it of course the temple is abandoned aside from it's guardians whom no one has faced and lived)
And finally the bat druid being born a monk (how he got the monk lvl) he had to have respect and understanding of the universe but this respect and understanding was overpowered by his discovered love of nature and rejected his monk teachings to fallow this passion (he began leveling in druid) working as a humble courier he has traveled all across the land delivering notes on parchments and paper he finds himself at his new destination delivering orders from the lands king (little does he know these orders are to change his life for they are orders pertaining to him he is to be sent on a venture to the mountains of Kradek in 12 years time and prevent the dread lich Valastar from being released as prophecy has foretold) his own goal has always been to make a name for himself and do something the people will remember him for
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Post by loneshadow on Aug 22, 2011 13:57:39 GMT -5
hopefully these descriptions answered the 9/5 job question and aspiration question at the same time
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Post by loneshadow on Aug 22, 2011 13:59:44 GMT -5
as for what plane for the attunement it will be either Fernia - the Sea of Fire or Lamannia - The Twilight Forest
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Post by Lil' Ragnaros on Aug 22, 2011 14:19:10 GMT -5
Are these characters all Savage Species anthro? It also sounds like your back stories are all out of a book or random generator. So your goal is to either be a courier or a body guard and your goals consist of either dismembering a club of people, finding a lost ancient artifact, or stopping a lich 12 years from now. I vote for the first and last one because finding a lost artifact turns into a dead end rather quickly and the other 2 are vague enough to be molded into what I need.
I need Jay and Pushaw's info still.
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Post by pushaw on Aug 22, 2011 14:51:56 GMT -5
I`m the purple dragon I mentioned before.
Flaws: Meager Fort, Shaky Traits: Slow
Feats: Heighten breath, Shape Breath, Spreading breath (All feats from draconomicon. Appx. pg68)
Goal in life: to get out of the egg. Profession: Scout -------------------------------------------------- Jay`s char is a Strongheart Halfling cleric. (Strongheart halfling is from Forgoten realms campaign setting pg 18 or so.)
Flaws: Shaky, Noncombatant
Feats: 1st- Spell focus (Conjuration) Flaw- Metamagic school focus (Complete Mage pg 45) Flaw- Reach Spell (Complete Divine pg 84) StrHrt- Augment Healing (Complete Divine pg 79) 3rd- Protevtion Devotion (Complete champion pg 61)
Goal in life: Don`t know, ask her. Profession: Cook
Edit: Also I gave her the spells Updraft (Spell Comp. 228) and Close wounds (Spell Comp. pg 48)
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Post by Lil' Ragnaros on Aug 22, 2011 17:32:31 GMT -5
What an epic goal in life Pushaw, That'll definitely last until level 20... Anything beyond that?
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Post by Lil' Ragnaros on Aug 22, 2011 17:41:52 GMT -5
Okay so far we got Copper dragon: Wishes to find who killed parents, playing as a ? and delivers items/messages for spare coin. Purple Dragon: half rogue half wizard who wants to spy on people at night. Halfling: Cleric Who seems to be going ranged healing and emergency ac, Likes to cook in spare time. A furry: either monk or druid who wishes to stop a lich or bad gang of people.
Just a friendly reminder Spontaneously cast spells with metamagic take 1-full round cast. Immediate Actions happen at any time even during an opponents turn.
Also, you know that your current feats don't omit party members from your blinding breath and you only have 1 breath weapon that is a cone that can be shaped?
You also do not have to have ranks in your profession if you do not want to.
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Post by pushaw on Aug 22, 2011 17:45:42 GMT -5
Hmm... I think I`ll just go with the goals of the standard purple dragon. To prove that I`m the best of the dragons. I may in the future atempt to rule over a small community, but I`m not certain.
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Post by skreyola on Aug 22, 2011 19:35:09 GMT -5
Oh, is a profession skill what you were getting at with the 9-5 question?
What do you mean by "playing as a ?"? Am I supposed to pick a character class, even though i don't get one?
Shape Breath lets him turn his line into a cone, or vice versa.
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